dr fate vs darkseid

Non magic characters have power to a certain limit and that's it. If you look at for example Dr Strange defeating Shuma-Gorath he did so by drawing on the power of the realms of his enemy. Fate is generally a symbiosis between Nabu and the host, but at times Nabu has both overridden the host and been subdued and shut down by him. That they managed to cure or bring him back later isn't at all surprising, but to claim he wasn't dying at the time is like saying Doomsday didn't beat Superman to the brink of death just because he was okay later. Darkseid does not actually overpower them, damage them, or force them to do anything. Never said she hurt him. Citizenbane should know this as well, since I've seen him bring it up before. The rest (except 7th - a mistake) from various tellings of his origin. ). Fate shoots an energy blast across the screen at an angle of aproximately 30 degrees downward that does six damage on contact. I've never heard anyone use that as an argument to imply a certain level of power for him. Plus, in the Fourth World books themselves, the Presence is never a factor in limiting Darkseid's behavior, New Genesis is, and they should still be around even if the Presence is gone. The two of them together access the same power to exact levels Kent V does and between them at that point had several times the experience he has. According to issue 12, Erik had had the fever ever since he "got back from India." To watch full episodes of YJ download the DCU App.Thanks for coming to my channel! Often they have to build the spell to build up the power. Fate could give Darkseid a rough time here. Even before the plot device, it was more of a stalemate. I don't know how many appearances she had as Fate in those two years though (it doesn't seem to be many, since it looks like there was a bit of a publication gap between the miniseries she became Fate, and the series where they fought Desaad). During the Straus Fate run. Dr Strange vs Dr Fate- Dr Strange but it would be close fight. Living Tribunal Vs Spectre. Omega Sanction: Probably one of the most disastrous effects the Omega Effect can give. Random encounter, no knowledge, no outside help. She shoots and misses. no mention of the Helm "giving" powers did it. Desaad by himself was getting the worse of his exchange with Linda. I was simply pointing out that taking a,b,c logic like that you could also show that Spec' couldn't kill DS but he could kill Nabu. Rounds end in death or incapacitation, No BFR Rounds: Round 1: Pre-crisis, in-character. Darkseid also has a lot of powers. Basically, based purely on what it is supposedly capable of, he is like superman with Dr Strange powers and some martian manhunter skills as well. Before that he had none. Absolutely, which I already covered in the simple line " According to the laws of Magic in the 9th age (DC) mortal mystics could only draw power through the Lords of Order and Chaos, talismans, or familiars,". Battle 6. he also had the ability to do minor spells and levitate things. For most of JSA he was only in cameo's and he really didn't make much of a splash. Basically, based purely on what it is supposedly capable of, he is like superman with Dr Strange powers and some martian manhunter skills as well. Fate has like wise drawn on the power of many god's (lords of order) to defeat high level entities. Like Batman said, if you need Darkseid taken care of use this phone number and call in Dr.Fate. he had both Fates at his mercy at the end of that issue and they pulled off a win through a plot device of making him feel love and mercy. On top of that, Erik was already dying, and Linda was explicitly stated to be at half strength (at least for the first part of the battle; looks like they might have changed that after holding hands). Fate is Kent Nelson. Either way, it looks like Kent doesn't have the showings to contend with Darkseid. Round 2: Post-crisis, in-character. Dr. Press J to jump to the feed. He … He is the God of Apokolips and father of his deceased son Kalibak. Fate - Respect thread. Superhero battle match: Darkseid (New 52) versus Doctor Fate. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. The only reason they feign a surrender is because he shows them an essentially endless army of parademons, and points out that he can just keep sending wave after wave of them at the Fates until they are just overwhelmed. But these have never been powers of the Helm at all. he's also a Dr fate fan but a Darkseid one as well so he'd be the most informed on both and the least biased. He may not win, but given what I've seen when both went up against Spectre, clearly Nabu gave him a much harder time then Darkseid did. His everlasting goal is the utter domination and enslavement of all life in creation, when all is ordered according to his will. After casting him aside like chaff Erik was then easily taken by a band of parademons. He is the only one on a par with Classic Dr Strange. Darkseid did not harm or overpower Linda at all. When his father was killed on doing so he aged Kent to a 20year old and made him super strong/fast, impervious (except his lungs), and made him immune to all disease and never age. Animated Series: Justice League. he can unleash an assault on a level that Dr Fate would need to build up to or entreat others to achieve. So basically he is a wizard older than than universe itself. Email to friends Share on Facebook - opens in a new window or tab Share on Twitter - opens in a new window or tab Share on Pinterest - … Just how powerful is the helm of naboo? I suggest you look at the scans again. The legal owner: WBTV. Kent V found the helmet ( or rather it found him) in 2007's 8 issue mini series countdown to mystery. Kent V ( the pre Flashpoint Fate) only has three real feats and frankly their not impressive. Doctor Fate, real name Kent Nelson, was a fierce and powerful sorcerer who became a member of the Justice League after the Thanagarian invasion. @DcMarvelUnity: 1.Helm of Naboo is supposed to be superbad.2. I forgot to include the first one, but it is still essentially as I said, you are just needlessly putting more emphasis on Darkseid. So even Spectre has concerns where DS is concerned. The exact words are "half a Fate... at half power...". Hmmm, I think if it's Classic SA Fate, he can take it or perhaps pure Nabu since he did hold his own for a little while at least vs. Spectre can take Darkseid. Just about everything you mentioned was addressed. His costume appears in The Hall of Justice, and he is a prominent character in the Injustice comic series along with his headquarters, the Tower of Fate. Thor vs Green Lantern- Thor would win because hes stronger and has a better weapon. So by the time fate would be at DS's level he would have already lost. The closest he comes is summoning a stone hand to grasp her, which she destroys almost immediately. @Freefa11: So that means Darkseid wins,and I'm certain Mantis has been able to defeat Fate as well. Power Distribution: Darkseid can grant individuals a fraction of his Omega Force or create new powerful minions such as Omega Superman who could match Dr Fate, Stayne who could match Takion and even Eclipso who could match Spectre. He was voiced by Michael-Leon Wooley, who voiced the same character in Batman: The Brave and the Bold and Audrey II of the 2003 Broadway revival of Little Shop of Horrors. In all versions he can raise the dead, animate objects, warp reality etc. To face an alliance between a Lord of chaos Vaneamon and a Lord of Order Ynar Classic Fate merged with his host's wife Inza. DarkseidALE 1 y 11 mo 4 d Doctor Fate vs Darkseid # Darkseid Darkseid crushes the helm of fate in his hands superman did it before And even after draining his powers, Darkseid realizes that it was still insufficient to refill his full power. Fate was severely ill and dying of fever. Fate). They have been the result of the alterations that the entity Nabu has done on the bodies of the hosts who have worn the helmet. 1) Even with the retcon, it was not an avatar, it was Desaad. So, Dr. For the next few pages he was being trounced by parrademons and then DS again. 4) The male Dr. Classic fate would wipe the floor with him. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Fate who are wise and just, this version is bitter, cynical and has utterly lost faith in humanity and the other heroes, as have the Lords of Fate. @entropy_aegis: I really have no idea how you could interpret anything I said as leading to a victory for Darkseid. And even after draining his powers, Darkseid realizes that it was still insufficient to refill his full power. Defeating a never before heard from demon ( and never heard again) defeating Lady Blaze, and bringing a soul back from the afterlife ( which by all accounts almost killed him, and Inza Fate accomplished the same with Consummate ease). Magic isn’t a weakness for Superman, anymore than it’s a weakness for Doctor Fate. When both Linda or Erik form Fate alone they have the same level of power. Alright, so in my opinion, some characters, notably Dr. How, exactly? Also, I know Nabu is the source of Fate's power, but more or less the same character when the helmet is on someone, it's Nabu controlling the host to a degree. @beatboks1: I would say the magic level provided by the helm compared to the wearer's innate ability is pretty dang extreme. As a fan of Dr Fate not Darkseid most of the scans i have saved are to show him looking good (which is the way I usually use them). However, some believe that all Fate need do is show up and that’s it. Though the Helm compels Kent to preserve this grim fate for the sake of Order, Kent’s humanity compels him to intervene on behalf of his heroic friends—and risk the unforeseeable consequenc… Before Spectre beat him? Fate is WAY more powerful with the full helm. The 1st. DS was well in control and Fate pulled out a plot win by making DS feel mercy (retconed to later not be DS). Like I said, I think a lot of people make assumptions about the Nelson Dr. Seriously if we want to talk feats for Kent V Nelson Dr fate vs Darkseid it becomes a slaughter stomp. You know, unless Fate is dramatically less powerful than I have been led to believe, the fact he couldn't defend himself from a single band of parademons should already suggest that he's not operating anywhere near his peak. That version of Fate would defeat DS no question. He was already bed-ridden as of the beginning of issue 9, and it is mentioned many times throughout those 4 issues, and seemed to be a fairly significant plot point. Seriously, pretty much the whole fight has been posted. Fate is weaker than Desaad. The Image in the OP wasn't classic Kent. Of course, it isn't a particularly good showcase of Darkseid's power either, and with it being retconned to Desaad anyway, it loses a lot of its relevance. AM at his max should take it. There was a perfect example of this in one of Felix Faust early appearances. Sign Up Login. I still say his ability to go intangible would give him time to develop an attack. The only thing Darkseid actually did to them was use the stone hand, but Linda broke it pretty quickly. It depends. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Fate. Yeah, dude as I was saying earlier I never said Fate would win, just perhaps give him a rough time for a while. Deadpool vs Deathstroke- Draw So everything a Darkseid emanation can do scales to the True Darkseid, but to a larger degree. Gender: Male Location: United States. The same level that every other Fate has had access to. Darkseid & Thanos @Bane333 LMFAO, Thanos cucked the in-betweener, Tanked a blast that could kill the entire NEXUS OF ALL REALITIES, escaped the god quarry and ABSORB it's power, the god Quarry created INFINITE infinity stones, each being it's own concept, Thanos tanked blasts that killed off all of marvel including ETERNITY and INFINITY, outsmarted GALACTUS moving galactus to his fate I only have issues 9-12, so I kind of have to take your word for it. I'll take your word for it. They can both be affected by strong enough magic. 1 History 1.1 Justice League 2 Powers and abilities 3 Appearances 3.1 Superman: The Animated Series 3.2 Justice League 3.3 Justice League Unlimited 4 References 5 External links Doctor Fate was far older than he appeared. Scans 4-6 are the Fates having a hard time fighting off a pack of Parademons. I think Dr. So anyone arguing the Fates legitimately lost, are basically arguing that Dr. I'd love to say it was anything but because I had DS and am a Fate fanboy but the facts are the facts. Strange Vs. Darkseid. =), just ask beatbox, he was the one owning this thread anyway. Strange, for example, I'd think he could just teleport away or open a portal home or something (or just turn invisible or intangible). In comics, a doppleganger (Desaad) of Darkseid has already defeated not … He isn't a merged Fate and has never had access to more power than that which Linda did in this issue. I can't really speak to the accuracy of the comparison. Fate, The Spectre, or Morpheus. So my point was that a more powerful version of Fate was unable to defeat (without a plot device) one of Darkseid's lackeys mascarading as him. I like how you completely ignored the scans where DS has all the Lords of Order and Chaos basically bending over for his will (and they are the ones who Dr fate and all other DC mystics draw their power from) and focus only on the few scans where I said it was a stand in. Now DS (except Pre COIE) Vs Classic Fate that would be a completely different story. Which is fine, and I don't think I ever said otherwise, I just don't think that a single retconned, PIS instance that didn't even involve the right characters and wasn't even being presented properly, should be brought up as the be-all-end-all of this battle. They can both be affected by strong enough magic. Kent only has minimal memories of his actions as Fate. At different times Fate has done crap that all together would probably own Darkseid but he is an inconsistent character. Darkseid vs Dr. You are indeed where you belong. That's correct "in training". Provide scans, or links to WoG for every claim you make. They were not at Desaad's mercy, they were pretty much at the mercy of what appeared to be an endless army of Parademons (although I'm not entirely certain why they couldn't try to escape via teleportation, flight, invisibility, etc). 3rd 4th and 5th scans are from the no/half helmet era. I would lean towards Darksied but I would love to hear some experienced opinion's on this one. In fact with her time in the merged Fate and access to the entity that is fate she was vastly more experienced. Fate, Darkseid's storngest avatars, and others. Strange Vs. Darkseid. Nabu in his energy state has advantages that a physical Dr Fate doesn't. Erik wasn't Dying ( he lived for quite some time afterward, and was rebirthed into a new magical life form to save humanity at the end of the Straus Run), Linda was no less a neophyte than Kent V has been in every showing he's had. Darkseid & Thanos @Bane333 LMFAO, Thanos cucked the in-betweener, Tanked a blast that could kill the entire NEXUS OF ALL REALITIES, escaped the god quarry and ABSORB it's power, the god Quarry created INFINITE infinity stones, each being it's own concept, Thanos tanked blasts that killed off all of marvel including ETERNITY and INFINITY, outsmarted GALACTUS moving galactus to his fate Marvel Vs DC: The 25 Most Powerful Gods Officially Ranked. Superman went off to fight the demon and was given a magic charm by Inza, who lamented that although she was willi… When Karkull returned, Fate realized that no matter how hard he tried, evil would never give up, and he abandoned the fight. There is no reason to believe the presence would prevent anyone else from destroying Darkseid. The other common assumption to me seems to be that Kent Nelson is kind of viewed as being the quintessential Dr. The first one is Linda firing at DS and missing then him almost hitting her and her finally tagging him. (Episode: The Terror Beyond. In the issue prior he defeated Erik (who at that point didn't have a fever) and had him at his mercy. Though it depends on which Fate we're talking. how she ranks against guys like Green Lantern or Superman or what have you), or what their full abilities are. 5) The biggest problem is that Darkseid/Desaad did not defeat them anyway. No, DS does not attack Erik again until he uses the stone hand on both the Fates. Or that's what I always thought, like a bond some what between the host and helmet of nabu. DS was about to deliver the finishing blow when Linda Attacked, and his fever began to develop from a parrademon's bite. I do think if Spectre wasn't jobbing and went all out, he could deal with Darkseid if not kill him. Superman. Fate Estacado. Otherwise, he only attacked once, but missed, while Darkseid himself was shot twice, but didn't seem all that hurt. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Again, I can't really speak to how accurate this assumption is. Everything else about Kent V is simply alluded to in terms of power. If anything, it should lead to the conclusion that people should simply stop bringing up this battle because it is irrelevant; neither Fate was Kent Nelson, one was a dying, one was a half-powered rookie, they weren't fighting Darkseid anyway, just Desaad, and they won. 1 History 1.1 Injustice 1.2 Injustice 2 1.3 Arcade Ending 2 … Could go either way with a slight edge to the LT. Battle 7. Normally Himon and Metron would be fairly reliable testimony, but in this case, they are just wrong. Fate in sort of the same way that Hal Jordan is viewed as being the quintessential Green Lantern (I'm assuming that's the only reason the OP chose him for this battle, because I really can't see the sense of deliberately choosing a weak version of a character to fight someone like Darkseid). Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate vs Trigon & Darkseid. He could even work vast magic in the valley of power (Nabu's tomb) just as he could in his Salem Tower, without the Helm. All it shows is political power, not personal power. he had all those powers before the Helm was given him. Fate vs. Desaad" thread, just about everyone would say Fate stomps. Darkseid gets knocked down again. With magic characters they access power from outside themselves, in some cases also having a certain level of their own inner power. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Others 5 Discussions Darkseid is one of the most powerful New Gods and the tyrannical ruler of Apokolips, an archetypal world beyond the boundaries of time and space. Lords of Magic like Dr.Fate and Mordru regularly humiliate large teams Darkseid would be hard-pressed to even take on, much less trash. Based on supposed power sets, Dr Fate. These two titans of DC UNIVERSE, were being brainwashed by Darkseid, to attack Dr Fate. Linda hits Darkseid and knocks him over. If Kent Nelson is less experienced than Linda, that's fine. How would the current Fate with less showings less experience and less power fare against the real deal. I don't really see the relevance, to be honest. 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